Some guy gets fined €500 under the Press Act for having commented that the pope should be shot through the hands and feet in order to feel closer to Jesus. This declaration was made within the “confines” (that’s sarcasm guys) of a facebook group called “No to the Pope in Malta”.
The charge was of incitement under the Press Act. Some people including, surprisingly, defence lawyer Owen Bonnici, argue that the publication in question (a Facebook entry) is not made in Malta but wherever Facebook has opted to have as a place of abode. What rubbish. We have repeated time and time again that the important thing with regard to publications is not where the site is registered but where it can be read. Hence anything you write on public forums/sites/comment boards etc is liable to be subject to Maltese law for the simple reason that it can be read on a computer in Malta.
My gripe is more on the issue of “incitement” than anything else. the police must have received a complaint and proceeded thereupon – they are not so much to blame. My worry is how far do we define this incitement and with what limits. For one thing it would be evident to any reasonable minded individual that Karl Farrugia’s comment regarding the perforation of the papal limbs with projectiles is surely not in the same league of seriousness as, let’s say, a loony rightist leader’s intimation of the use of violence methods for the expulsion of immigrants.
I believe that neither in the case of Karl nor in the case of the (fictitious) loony leader are we confronted with an equivocal statement as that uttered by Henry II. History leads us to believe that speaking of Becket Henry said “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest”. In actual fact it went more like this:
“What miserable drones and traitors have I nurtured and promoted in my household who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric!”
Four knights – Reginald Fitzurse, Hugh de Morville, Willieam de Tracy and Richard le Breton – overheard the regent’s appeal and took him to his word. They found Becket in Canterbury cathedral and brutally murdered him. The King lived to regret this deed while the four knights ended up being excommunicated for their troubles. In any case their interpretation of the royal despair as some form of command might be forgiven. Whether we should think that Karl Farrugia’s exhortation is an invitation in the manner of Henry II is something I doubt very much.
True, people should be more aware of the consequences of their utterings and postings on such tools as facebook but surely no one in his right mind would believe that Karl Farrugia’s statement was meant to be taken literally?
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42 replies on “Facebook's Fine”
Good post indeed!
A question though on your conclusion – you base it on the premise that “surely no one in his right mind would believe..”. Isnt the problem though that there are quite a number of people that might actually have the right state of mind? One could argue that the four knights might not have been in the right state of mind at the time. One could also argue that many a “looney” leader was swept into power by people in their right state of mind.
On a different note – what irritates me in general (not to do with you post) is people saying “its just a joke”. Humour seems to have left the building.
Your thoughts…..
@ Justin. People are saying that because they assume verbal insults/threats etc are not as harmful as physical violence… So they say “It’s just a joke” …not in the sense that it’s so hilarious and side-splitting….but that it’s not as serious…..KF’s comment is not amusing by any standards
Yes but my question remains. It is not amusing by any standard. It fails miserably in the category for cheap, base humour. But to jump from failed humour to incitement? I just am not sure!
It’s not a very clear cut issue. How do you distinguish between words and actions which act as catalysts for violent action and crime, and other words which are merely offensive? Just by way of example….if there was a strong anti-Pope sentiment prevalent in the country, could KF’s comments be considered to be the spark which set off violent action?
There IS a strong anti-liberal sentiment prevalent in Malta at the moment. Do you therefore consider Mgr Mario Grech’s ‘barbarian’ speech last Saturday to be an open invitation to violent acts upon secular liberals?
Why? Did he say they ought to be shot?
Did you read the speech? or you just assuming as always?
No. I read the Malta Today article and assumed it was a faithful report of what was said. What did I miss?
@ Raphael….The “barbarian” comment is offensive, but I’d say it’s less offensive and less direct than saying someone specific should be shot
How about saying that secular liberalism is a ‘disease’, of which cohabitation is a ‘symptom’, thereby implying that a ‘cure’ could wipe out both disease and symptom in one fell swoop?
…which was carried in the MaltaToday report, Fausto. Evidently you didn’t read it very closely.
What cure? Kids? (no subliminal reference to peadophily intended).
Oh, I don’t know, Jacques. But if I were as sensitive as someone evidently was to the Facebook comment, I could easily come up with a few… um… final solutions…
I’m reading this closely enough to notice that you switched from referring to “liberals” to referring to “liberalism”. Fancy political ideologies suffering violence …
Raphael ….I am seriously worried here….I’m agreeing with Fausto…I’m not reading any “final solution” cures in what The Gozo Bishop said. Yes, the “barbarian” comment is offensive but it’s not on the same lines as saying someone should be shot. I know which would disturb me more. As for the forum where comments are published or made available, Facebook is as public as it gets. If KF didnt want people to react to his comment, he should have scrawled it on the palm of his hand.
Claire you are sticking (rather doggedly, I might add) only to the ‘barbarian’ comment. And you, Fausto, are simply being a prick. Defining ‘liberalism’ as a disease is akin to defining liberals as anomalies, pathologies, etc. And for your information it is perfectly possible to perpetrate violence on an ideology. In fact I am astounded this still needs to be pointed out. The Church’s obsession with heresy in the early middle ages is a classic case in point. It was not individual gnostics who were declared heretical. It was gnosticism – along with many other ‘isms’ – resulting in the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of people. This is really very basic history, you know.
Another thing, Claire – I never mentioned anything about whether the forum is public or private. What are you on about?
And to develop your own observation one step further, Fausto – I suppose by your logic one must distinguish between ‘cohabitation’ and ‘cohabiting partners’, right? Well, perhaps you might want to explain how it is possible to have one without the other… or for that matter, how liberalism can exist without liberals… or ideology without ideologues…
Raphael…Yes, I’m sticking to the “barbarian” comment, because I still can’t trace any incitement to violence in what the Bishop said. I get the bit about it being possible to perpetrate violence on those who uphold a certain ideology and how this was done in the past, but I haven’t read anything to that effect in the Bishop’s words. If he, or anyone else suggested that a liberal should be shot, I think it would warrant more concern than his blustering about barbarians.
OK, I’ll try again. The point of my earlier comment was to try (evidently without any success) to get you to see the ridiculousness of the charges against KF. If I were to apply the same thought processes used by the police – or whoever pulled their strings – to Grech’s speech last Saturday, I could EASILY make the inference that, by comparing liberalism to a disease, he was subliminally implying that the presence of liberals in Malta is a) detrimental to society, and b) – here’s the important part – a presence whose removal can be justified, just as one justifies the destruction of viruses, bacteria in the body through the use of medication. Luckily for Mario Grech I am nowhere near as anal as the police were in pressing charges against KF, or Silvio Meli in passing sentence. But please note that anyone deliberately seeking to take offence can always be accommodated. i believe it was a certain JC who said ‘seek and ye shall find’…
Raphael…There is a difference between subliminal messages and direct, specific incitement to violence. I suppose if someone was sufficiently anal, he could consider everything to be incitement. But KF did not call the Pope a barbarian. He said that the Pope should be shot. How is that subliminal/indirect? There may be legal arguments for suggesting that KF did not have the required criminal intent for the crime of incitement, but his actions are clear enough. Don’t try to equate the Bishop’s comment with KF’s words….they’re not in the same league. Calling someone a “bastard” is not comparable to threatening him or saying he should be shot. That’s why there are different provisions of law to deal with them as separate offences…
Actually, you know what? I do take great offence at being compared to the symptom of a disease, and yes, I do consider it to be a direct and unambiguous act of incitement to hatred of a small and vulnerable minority by a large, powerful and increasingly irresponsible institution. Mario Grech’s speech last Saturday was actually considerably more insidious and potentially dangerous than KF’s stupid comment could ever hope to be, because it was not stupid at all… it was part of a concerted, deliberate and ongoing strategy to dehumanise a category of people on the basis of their political opinions, very much in the same way as Nazi Germany tried (successfully) to dehumanize Jews on the basis of their ethnicity. And where KF is a little man with no following at all, this insinuation came from the man who wields MASSIVE (by local standards) power and influence, and who commands literally thousands of hotheaded morons who have a long and depressing history of resorting to violence over whatever act of random idiocy they assume their God wants from them at any given moment. I invite you to consider fights over festas, fireworks, etc. over the past few years alone. I have already discussed the possibility of legal action against the gozo Bishop, and now that you’ve made me think about it more clearly I realise it would be a mistake not to. So thanks, Claire, for helping me iron out my thoughts on this one.
Raphael….What can I say without sounding patronising and really legalistic? I don’t see much prospects of a successful prosecution for someone who is basically using an admittedly offensive metaphor, but if you take exception to it, well go for it.
But please dont lump all mainfestations of hate and rivalry committed by Catholics as proof of some kind of concerted effort to propagate hate and rivalry. There are loads of Catholics who do not engage in festa rivalries, judging others, women-hating etc…..the Dan Brown cliched view of Catholicism is so tiring…it’s not all self-flagellation, thigh-puncturing cilices, Vatican intrigue, festa fanaticism and Thorn Birds …..you could say that those are all wrong interpretations of how religion should be practised…..
Yes but how many Catholics are Bishop of Gozo?
What I can’t believe is how a young kid like him thought he’d get away with saying something so dumb in Malta.
Doesn’t he remember what they did to that guy in Nadur who dressed up as a nun?
A “young kid”? He’s 24, for heaven’s sake.
At 24 he’s still a young kid. He just used the wrong words….if he had said the pope should be crucified so he’ll be like Jesus they probably would’ve just warned him instead of charging him with incitement.
But mention “shot” and everybody thinks there’s gonna be some assasination ala JFK.
Jealousy gets you nowhere Faust. Just see it on the bright side… If he’s a kid we are teenagers.
Wow! You made my day! :)
IRIS 2008-6:14/19
Malta
Judgment on Incitement to Racial Hatred
Kevin Aquilina
Malta Broadcasting Authority
Via a judgment delivered by the Court of Magistrates (Malta) as a Court of Criminal Judicature on 27 March 2008, Mr. Norman Lowell was found guilty of incitement to racial hatred. Less than three weeks before the delivery of this judgment, the Broadcasting Authority had withheld the broadcast of a five minute talk on the public service broadcaster, Television Malta, by Mr. Norman Lowell, who stood as an independent candidate for the general elections held in Malta on Saturday 8 March 2008. Mr. Lowell’s broadcast was prohibited from being aired due to the fact that it was considered by the broadcasting regulator to constitute incitement to racial hatred and was consequently in breach of the Criminal Code, the Broadcasting Act and the Broadcasting Authority’s Requirements as to Standards and Practice on the Promotion of Racial Equality, 2007.
The charges levelled by the Police before the Court of Magistrates (Malta) against Mr. Lowell were that, in two different places in Malta and in an article he had written, he used threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour or otherwise conducted himself in a manner intended to stir up racial hatred or from which racial hatred was likely, having regard to all the circumstances, to be stirred up. He was further accused of having used defamatory, insulting or disparaging words, acts or gestures in contempt of the person of the President of Malta. The accused was given a two year prison sentence suspended for four years and was fined EUR 500, after he was found guilty on all the above charges. Mr. Lowell declared that he would be appealing the judgment before the Court of Criminal Appeal.
The Court of Magistrates noted that the accused had used insulting words against third parties holding different religious, political and other beliefs and opinions. The Court referred to the guidelines as to the interpretation of the words ‘racial discrimination’ offered by the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, which defines the term as “any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin, which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life”.
In the light of the above definitions, the Court examined the accused’s speeches and writings. It observed that the accused considered those persons who held a religious belief different from his to be on a par with terrorists, that the British were afraid to be treated at public hospitals, because the doctors and nurses working there were Muslims and that Muslims were responsible for the arson of the underground system in London. The accused further stated that there was no reason why Muslims should not infect patients in hospital by placing poison in their drip, contaminating the food in the hospital and making patients sleep through the administration of anesthetic. In other words, the accused stated that patients in London depended on the Muslims’ pity and he emphasised that their religion – Islam – taught them to hate their enemies.
The Court noted that the accused stated that Malta was moving without any direction and without a leader and that crimes were committed by irregular immigrants in Malta. He stated that African children were infected by AIDS and that, as a result, even Maltese children would be infected by this disease. The accused held that Malta should be cleansed of irregular migrants and that, if no action were taken, Malta would end up being conquered by “Negros”. The accused referred to the employment in Malta of Africans, who he alleged were taking the jobs of the Maltese, and ridiculed the President of Malta by referring to him, inter alia , as “the President of the Africans”. The accused also ridiculed the adoption of children from Africa. Mr. Lowell even referred to Muslims as “rodents”. He advocated famine in those countries inhabited by non-white people and that war should be employed as a means of eliminating weak persons of his own race. War was envisaged by the accused as a means of cleaning inferior races. Space should be reserved for the white race, which was, in his view, the pioneering race.
The Court heavily condemned these opinions. It concluded that they amounted to incitement to racial hatred, which is a serious crime under the Maltese Criminal Code. The Court further held that it is obliged by law to protect all races in Malta, without distinction; more so those races which are in a minority, as the court has to protect every person in Malta, irrespective of colour, race or religion.
@ Jacques. Excuse me for pasting that big chunk of text in previous comment. Hope all the credits are there etc. I think it ties in somewhat to what is acceptable and what is not…as far as freedom of speech goes
No prob Claire… actually thanks. I think the following phrase is all about what I am asking:
“in a manner intended to stir up racial hatred or from which racial hatred was likely, having regard to all the circumstances, to be stirred up”
The intention or the likelihood might be clear in the case of Norman but not in the case of Farrugia.
From our press release, just released…
‘The argument that Farrugia was ‘inciting to violence’ is quite frankly ridiculous, in the context of what was clearly not intended as a comment to be taken seriously. Furthermore, we feel the Magistrates’ Court was in duty bound to assess not only the intention, but also the seriousness of the threat before passing judgement in this case. It is clear from the sentence that neither was given due consideration.’
Full pr here:
http://www.maltahumanist.org/node/43
Nice font on this website by the way… very civilised.
@ Jacques. I’m not sure about whether it’s the likelihood of the threat being put into effect which is the point to be considered. The law prohibits both (a) instigation to commit an offence and (b) incitement to disobey the law. It goes on to say that when the incitement produces the desired effects then the punishment is harsher. This indicates that even when no effects are produced, the incitement is still punishable….
OK. But under which of (a) or (B) if any do you think Karl Farrugia’s comment falls considering : the possibility of the violence being committed and the relvance of the instigation in the particular context in which it was posted.
I Haven’t read the judgement (just the report), so I would think it’s A (to commit a specific offence). As regards context, I’m not sure but I think there was a FB group which was anti-Pope …there was also the Paedo bear fuss and I imagine the Police may have thought that there was the possibility of some sort of stunt….hence the coming down like a tonne of bricks…
What do you think of this Jacques?
Tuesday, 2nd February 2010 – 12:42CET
Man takes coffin home to threaten wife
A man who took a small coffin home and threatened his wife that she would end in it was this morning jailed for 10 months.
Emanuel Degiorgio, 47, of Marsascala, was found guilty of attacking his wife, threatening to kill her and using foul language.
In delivering his sentence, Magistrate Antonio Mizzi took into consideration the unhealthy relationship of the family, who lived in constant tension.
The man, who was boarded out after he was injured on duty, was a carpenter and once, when the family was sitting together for dinner, he brought out the wooden coffin and told his wife she would end in it.
Later, he said he did this as a joke but the rest of the family did not agree, especially the wife who felt threatened.
I think it was Dead Pan Humour.
Jokes apart I think the context says it all. Even Antonio Mizzi looked at the unhealthy relationship etc….
So it all boils down to context…
I’m off to watch House guys… sorry can’t keep up but Gregory H rules! A demain.
Thank you to Claire and Raphael for the lively discussion (and Fausto for the interjections). I hate intervening with bold appendices at the end of a comment – it somehow puts me at an unfair advantage so here are a few points at the end from the j’accuse side:
1. Karl Farrugia
The case merits discussion within the legal context first. The anlaysis of the offence perforce requires an appreciation of what we would call context. Many volumes have been written as to what constitutes a “reasonable man in the street” and how that person processes certain information (point made by Justin Fenech at the beginning). I’d like to believe that even fantasising about riddling the papal appendages with bulletholes is still only just that – fantasising. There is also the practical element – if we have to be pedantic about what Karl wishes then we have to imagine that someone has the power and wherewithal to (a) kidnap Benji 16 and (b) do so with the express intent to simply shoot him through palms and feet and then release him. Forget Kill Bill… it’s Shoot Benji. Rather far fetched in any set of circumstances.
Which leaves us with the idea of fomenting hatred of the papal figure. Funny but was this not a “No to the Pope in Malta” group on facebook? I wouldn’t exactly expect the Legion of Mary and other footsoldiers of roman catholicity to be perusing the comment board in that particular corner of the net universe. I still believe that the case against Karl is weak. Very weak. I do not even feel the need to qualify that with “but I still do not agree with what he said” – because it is obvious. Blatantly so.
2. Mario Grech vs Humanists
Now this one is a tougher bone to crack. I can bring myself to agree with Raphael on the premiss that Grech’s statements can be perceived as offensive and more – an incitement to action AGAINST a particular group of individuals. There is no physical violence and Grech has not yet conjured up the ghost of Torquemada as Fausto points out in his usual droll manner. That does not mean however that there is not a soupçon of double-standards in the whole business. Replace “facebook group” with “congregation” and “bullets through palms” with “a cure for the disease that is liberalism” and you begin to worry. Should society be concerned with gagging Mario and Karl or should there be fora like this one openly challenging the very issues that are brought to light?
Funnily enough Lou is stuttering a similar argument with regard to his bringing the Lowell circus into the limelight once again. Our criticism in that direction remains the same: the idea of the program was merely sensation – no intention to criticise. Otherwise both in the case of Karl and that of Mario (and Lowell) we would prefer the line that engages rather than one that punishes and gags.